
Following is a transcript of an email back &
forth from yesterday between me (KS) & Matt Hurley (MH) (owner of Weapons
of Mass Discussion, TIB Radio & writer for Red State & Next Right). With his permission I am posting it. I wanted to post it because I think it is a
good snapshot as to what is wrong with the Republican Party in Ohio.
Matt is my friend and we agree on 85-90% of things, but
our disagreement over that last 10-15% might very well mean a bad election year in
2010. Ours is not an isolated
scenario. Unfortunately, this is the
norm not the rarity these days within the ranks of Ohio’s GOP.
KS: I would
love to hear your thoughts on what u think harris & the gop senate majority
will do on this budget.
MH: I've been putting my money on the Senate
Republicans folding under the brave leadership of President Harris and Senators
Niehaus and Husted...but I'd love to be wrong. Husted is a douchebag, why are
you supporting him?
KS: i think u will probably end up being right about
the senate gop...unfortunately. i like to win. husted will win.
Any other sos candidate for the gop will lose...o'brien, coughlin, r. montgomery...anyone
else u can come up with for the seat...i'd love to hear a name of someone who
will actually file & run who can win other than husted. if husted and taylor prevail then the gop
will keep the senate, have a chance to get the house back & maintain a strong
majority on the supreme court. if the
gop lose the apportionment board then
the house goes firmly dem thru at least 2022/2024 and the senate goes dem by
2016/2018 and the supreme court switches to a dem majority by 2018/2020. i truly & wholeheartedly believe in this
domino effect (especially with the advances that have been made with technology
since the 2000 census). the gop keeps
the app bd then life can be good for the gop with the 2014 election. gop loses
the app bd and my Nostradamus predictions come true and we are screwed for a
long, long time. kicking the crap out of
husted does no good whatsoever other than to help the dems make this
scenario come true. thoughts???
MH: You see, I don't think Husted can win
either...it takes more than money...a little integrity wouldn't hurt. And I
still think the residency issue has potential to hurt him. Brunner keeps
kicking that can down the road until the right moment to strike... I also think
that Sheriff Jones has a point on that immigration bill too... Now I keep
hearing, "But Matt, what do these things have to do with SOS?" My
answer is that they don't but Husted doesn't want to be SOS, he wants to be
Governor and that idea must be stopped right here and right now.
KS: I get that you don't want him to be Governor,
but you are putting the proverbial cart before the horse...one election at a time,
my friend. Love him or hate him, as a citizen of Ohio who wants the GOP to not
sink into a generational minority the facts are simple: You need to win 2
out of 3 races in 2010. I think it is a fool's errand to take the SOS
seat off the table thus putting yourself in a position where you have to go 2 for
2 instead of 2 for 3 in elections. I
would rather you swallow your venom for Husted for 16 months and 1 week, pull a
Mel Gibson in Braveheart move with the long spears twice as long as a man and
"Hold! hold! hold! ..." and then on 11/5/10 start the "Mandel
for Governor" or "Taylor for Governor" effort and the
"Eviscerate Husted" effort at the same time. For the good of the GOP legislators in the
House, Senate and Supreme Court THAT is what you and others in positions of
influence should do (in my humble opinion). Thoughts???
MH: There is no stopping Husted or his ego...a
humiliating defeat at the hands of Sandy O'Brien or Ham Sandwich is about the
only things that might have a chance of penetrating that pathetically huge ego
of his. I think the GOP ought to stand on a few principles and Jon Husted does
NOT represent those principles at all. Elevating Jon Husted is not moving forward,
but rather yet another leap backwards to the Taft Era that the Ohio GOP really
does not need. Thanks for making my argument for me though...Husted can't win
in the general, so let's put up a credible candidate who at least has a shot at
it. Is that Sandy O'Brien? I don't think so, but I do think she has a better
chance than Husted does. And that's saying something. It speaks volumes actually. We shouldn't take the
SOS seat off the table by elevating Husted. I believe that the rejection of
Republicans statewide had more to do with the Husted-like candidates we've been
putting up than just the Taftian screw-ups and scandals. Don't get me wrong
Taft had a lot to do with it, but the fault is not his alone. Husted was in leadership
during this time and he bears a lot of responsibility for putting us in this
mess. That is why he cannot win statewide. People are going to remember who was
in charge...and if they don't I guarantee you that the Democrats will make that
an issue. That's what I would do...and we've already seen with the Lehman Bros.
gambit, that Chris Redfern is ready to smear every Republican with whatever he
thinks will work. Husted is a no-go and as soon as establishment types like
yourself realize that, the sooner we can get serious about finding a candidate
who can actually win.
KS: this is just one we'll have to agree to disagree on. there is NO ONE else to run for SOS. my
guess is the mid-year filings will look something like this:
husted $1 million plus
coughlin $75,000
o'brien $50,000
there is NO WAY ON THE PLANET coughlin or o'brien can beat husted when they are being
outspent by multiples of 10:1, 12:1, 15:1 or more. i agree with you 100% that husted has trampled
all over the SPIRIT of the law on this residency issue, but on the ACTUAL law he will win this thing
in Court once it finally reaches Court. that is one of the big reasons brunner & the BOE keep playing
with it b/c everyone knows at the end of the day that husted will win the issue. heck, even dems who
hate him as much or more than you who are attorneys even think so:
http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/progressohio_if_jennifer_brunner_isnt_willing_to_ignore_the_law
_and_play_our_partisan_games_shes_a_coward
I've talked to 3 gop attorneys & 2 dem attorneys and all five people have told me he will win this
issue. Now if he were to lose the issue in Court then i am 100% with you...he will not even be a
candidate for sos. that said, i think he will win the issue, will win vs any primary candidate who files
against him and his outcome will be the same outcome for the gop's future on 11/4/10. if he wins then
my gop app bd scenario happens. if he loses then the dem app bd scenario happens. u can stomp,
bitch, moan and cuss all u want, but i believe those to be the facts of the situation.
MH: Tell it to Jeanette Bradley...she had all the cashola and the establishment GOP hacks in her
corner too. How'd that turn out again?
KS: i am a big fan of yours and i agree with you 90% of the time, but you cannot under any scenario
compare bradley & husted. husted works hard. bradley did not. husted has some pretty capable
people around him. bradley did not. husted will have somewhere in the $1.5 to $2 million range of
funds by the end of the off year alone. bradley had $266,000 in the same time period (i.e. $1.2 to
1.7 million less than husted) and only $464,000 to spend come primary time where husted will be
at $2 to $2.5 million by primary time (i.e. $1.5 million to $2 million more in husted's coffers than
bradley had in her coffers). sandy o'brien spent $196K against bradley's $464K (i.e. sandy got
outspent less than 5:2). sandy will not have nearly $196K this time. my guess is she'll be more like
$125K to husted's $2 to $2.5 million (16:1 or even a 20:1 ratio) bradley & husted are apples &
oranges. hurting husted in a primary does nothing whatsoever except damage him for the general...
and getting us closer as a party to being in the minority for a very long time. i know u hate to think
of it like this, but if husted wins then it puts people you love in a better position to be successful. if
husted loses then it puts people you love in a worse position to be successful. now u can get all
pissed off about that fact, but i believe that you realize this to be true, but have just not fully come
to terms with it. please get through kubler ross' 5 stages of grieving soon so we can start to focus
on killing dems in nov. 2010.
MH: I know that you always come back to
money because that is your background, but I don't think that way because my
background is in grassroots activism. I cannot support a guy because he
has money and that is all that he offers. If he wins the primary I can
hold my nose and vote for him in the general, but I will never support someone
who has no integrity. If Husted wants the support of people like me, he
has got to accept responsibility and demonstrate that he has learned his
lesson. I will not accept just his word on it and neither will Ohio's GOP
primary voters. Re: this bit -- "i
know u hate to think of it like this, but if husted wins then it puts people
you love in a better position to be successful. if husted loses then it puts
people you love in a worse position to be successful." In what world
is this even possible? Husted is a cancer. If he wins, he drags
down the ticket. If he loses, he has no effect whatsoever on the
ticket. I chose the later option...Please answer the question using
something other than dollar signs. Fundraising is not a "be all / do
all" for politics and you know that. It doesn't hurt, but if that's
all you got the candidate deserves to go down in flames.
KS: im
not talking about the 2010 ticket. i am talking about the domino effect that
will occur if the gop does not control the drawing of the lines with this next
app bd. jon wins and the gop wins. jon loses and the gop loses. the house for a
long long time, the senate by as early as 2016/18 and the supreme ct by 2018/20
that is the fallout that happens if we lose the app bd. as far as husted
outspending o'brien by 15 or 20 to 1 it really does become just that simple.
running a great campaign in this state with 13 media markets for tv, the need
for a large voter mail effort, advocacy calls, an internet effort and a
grassroots effort husted does not really need much more than that. if wishes
were horses then dreamers would ride. sandy & others could wish she was not
going to have a 15:1 or 20:1 money disadvantage for the primary, but wishing
does not make it so. the harsh reality is that the primary is buyable at that
$$$ deficit. sandy cannot out-2nd amendment right, out-pro-life, out anti-tax,
out traditional marriage husted when she is being outspent at those levels. it
just will not happen. husted will be the nominee if/when he wins the residency
issue in a Court of Law. beating him down and propping sandy up only does one
thing: helps the dems in the general.
please stop helping the dems in their efforts to win the app bd in 2010.
MH: Again,
you resort to money...Are you capable of making an argument without flashing
dollar signs? Because that is an argument that is falling on deaf ears
here and around the state. I will also repeat that I don't think Jon Husted can
win the general...I have yet to hear an argument for why you think he can that
doesn't involve dollar signs. That is not an argument, it's a dollar
sign. And dollar signs are irrelevent when the base of the party can't
stand the guy. Again: Ask Jeanette Bradley...
KS: there are lots of reasons. i was just being
pragmatic/simplistic for the sake of saving time.
removing money from the equation i will just present some things for you to
look at. this is part of an upcoming post i'm doing for july/post-budget that
i've been working on since reading the wmd & bizzyblog stuff on husted:
House Bill 119 Accomplishments in
the 127th General Assembly
o
Led effort to provide for significant investments in higher education - more
than $657 million in scholarships, financial aid for Ohio students, a 36
percent increase more than the executive proposal.
o
Created the student-based Choose Ohio First Scholarship program, which will
provide $100 million in scholarship funds throughout the biennium to Ohio
students attending Ohio colleges and universities. This scholarship is expected
to benefit tens of thousands of students across the state, and will place an
emphasis on students pursuing the fields of science, technology, mathematics
and medicine (STEM).
o
Provided increases in state funding for the basic instructional subsidy for
higher education, State Share of Instruction (SSI).
o
Helped to make a college education more affordable by freezing tuition rates at
Ohio ’s two and four year institutions.
o
Worked to restore cuts made by Governor Strickland to provide additional
funding for the Ohio Student Choice Grant, which is one of the largest financial
assistance programs for higher education in the state, providing grants of $650
per year to Ohio residents.
o
Provided a way out for students trapped in failing schools by restoring voucher
and school choice options to families and children across Ohio . The program
was eliminated by Governor Stickland and restored in the Ohio House.
o
Ensured Children's Hospitals around the state can continue to serve chronically
ill children by restoring supplemental funding of $15 million a year through
state and federal dollars.
o
Provided more elderly Ohioans with the change to stay in their home instead of
nursing homes by funding an additional 5,600 waiver slots in the PASSPORT
program, as well as a 3 percent increase to PASSPORT providers.
o
Provided $20 million in order to assist in the start-up of STEM high school -
which will provide our students with the tools and skills our economy demands.
o
Ensured that parents earning more than 300 percent of the poverty level are
able to buy Medicaid if a child has a pre-existing condition or catastrophic
illness that makes private insurance impossible to obtain.
House Bill 66 Accomplishments
o
Passed a comprehensive tax reform package that included a 21 percent
across-the-board income tax cut - the largest income tax cut in Ohio history.
o
Led efforts to craft tax reforms that encourage a healthy business climate,
generate jobs and move Ohio ’s economy forward. In addition to reductions in
personal income taxes, we reduced the sales tax to 5.5 percent, phased out the
corporate franchise tax over five years – an unfair tax that had both high
rates and low collections, eliminated the tangible personal property tax – an
onerous tax that discouraged growth and investment – over four years and
immediately exempted new machinery and equipment purchases and phased in a more
fair system of taxation – replaced the corporate franchise tax with a new,
broad-based, low-rate Commercial Activities Tax (CAT) at 0.26 percent on all
gross receipts above $1 million, to spur business development and job creation.
Other Accomplishments
o
Created the first statewide school voucher program that allows up to 14,000
children to attend a school of their choice. Later expanded the program to make
more students eligible for a scholarship and better fill the 14,000.
o
Led effort to pass predatory lending prohibitions into law at the request of
community leaders - Senate Bill 185 addresses situations in which buyers are
purposely deceived by lenders or mortgage brokers by increasing responsibility
for all parts of the lending industry and the home-buying process was a
necessary task.
o
Led legislative effort to put the Third Frontier Initiative on the ballot and
passed - even after Democrats suggested they would oppose it. This project is
the state's largest-ever commitment to expanding Ohio's high-tech research
capabilities and promoting innovation and company formation that will create
high-paying jobs for generations to come.
·
Passed higher standards for high
school graduates with the Ohio Core legislation. The Ohio Core will require all
students, beginning with the high school graduation class of 2014, to complete
a rigorous curriculum as a requirement for high school graduation and admission
into Ohio ’s four-year state assisted institutions of higher education. The
Ohio Core curriculum includes four years of math, including Algebra II and
three years of lab-based science.
I'm
sure I will come up with more stuff once I put a little more time into it.
In comparison, what has Sandy O'Brien done that makes her such a worthwhile
candidate?
These are all real, tangible things that Husted has done...not just promises or
chest thumping...
Your turn.
Please pick apart the Husted accomplishments and prop up Sandy O now.
MH: 119 is giveaway after giveaway...more
pandering, even less substance.
66 is a mostly good...except,
I still think that the CAT needs to be killed. It is a harbinger of death
for business at a time when Ohio needs jobs. If Husted wants to claim
that he created the CAT and pretend that's a good thing, that's a non-starter
for me. (Similarly, I don't like Kasich's "the Assault Weapons Ban
bill we were going to get was MUCH worse" for the same reasons.)
I give him props for
vouchers/education issues...but that's not enough...
185 threatened to chase an entire
industry out of the state taking more jobs with it...
Third Frontier...Taft's
nonsense...you really want Husted to tie himself to that?
Sandy has
a record you can look at that doesn't involve raising taxes during a recession
(and believe me, Ohio was in a recession). Not that I think Sandy is the
best candidate either...at this point, my candidate is a menu item at the
deli.....
Now some of you who are pragmatic
probably side with me and my arguments and a huge portion of the tea party
attending, pro-life with no exception, sleep with your gun under your pillow,
not so tolerant of gays, etc. etc. probably side with Matt in this debate.
Who you side with in this type of
debate is not my point.
My point is that this Republicans
killing Republicans stuff has got to stop and it has to stop VERY SOON in Ohio
or we are not going to be in a position to take advantage of the opportunities
that I believe are going to be offered up on a silver platter in the November
2010 elections.
I wrote this post almost four months
ago to the day:
http://kylesisk.typepad.com/sisker/2009/02/ohio-republicans-have-not-seen-rock-bottom-yet.html
If anything I would say things are
worse now than they were then.
Kevin DeWine, a handful of County
Chairs with some clout, the top political operatives and significant elected
officials & candidates have got to put an end to this constant in-fighting
and killing our own or the only true people who will benefit will be the dems
in Ohio.
We have a choice: Either Republicans are going to continue to
kill Republicans in Ohio OR Republicans are going to start focusing on kicking
some dems out of office.
Time is running out.